Rebecca Dekker:
Hello everybody. On as we speak’s podcast we’re going to speak with Melissa Anne DuBois about shifting from the function of hospital labor and supply nurse to residence delivery advocate.
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Hello everybody. For Nurses Week this yr, I’m so excited to share a replay of one in all my favourite episodes right here at EBB, and that is an interview with registered nurse Melissa Ann DuBois about shifting from hospital labor and supply nursing to changing into a house delivery advocate. Earlier than we get began, I do need to provide you with a quick set off warning. This podcast episode does talk about obstetric racism and contains graphic descriptions of obstetric abuse.
And now I’d prefer to introduce our honored visitor, Melissa Ann DuBois. Melissa Ann is an skilled perinatal nurse residing in central Massachusetts within the US. She graduated summa cum laude from the College of Massachusetts Amherst College of Nursing in 2006 and has labored in a wide range of perinatal settings since 2007, together with inpatient labor and supply, excessive danger obstetrics, outpatient OBGYN, a house delivery follow, and postpartum residence well being. Melissa Ann grew to become a childbirth educator in 2011 and a lactation counselor in 2014, and at present teaches childbirth lessons for babiesincommon.com. Melissa can be the mom of three youngsters.
In as we speak’s replay, you’re going to hearken to Melissa inform her delivery story, together with her distinctive perspective on labor and supply nursing, which got here out of her personal traumatic delivery expertise, and the way she witnessed obstetric violence and obstetric racism for a few years as a labor and supply nurse. Seeing outdated procedures being carried out in hospital settings, Melissa went on to have a therapeutic delivery at residence, and he or she tells us that story, in addition to how she received concerned in advocacy for increasing residence delivery choices for households. And on the finish of as we speak’s podcast, I’ll share with you a quick, thrilling replace as to what Melissa Ann is thus far.
So, Melissa Ann, glad Nurses Week and welcome to the Proof Primarily based Beginning® Podcast.
Melissa Anne DuBois:
Thanks a lot for having me, Rebecca. I’m excited to be right here.
Rebecca Dekker:
I’ll always remember once I first received an e mail from you. You had simply learn Infants Are Not Pizzas and also you stated, “We’ve got lots in frequent.”
Melissa Anne DuBois:
That’s true.
Rebecca Dekker:
And we do. We each have three youngsters, we’re each nurses, though you specialised in labor and supply, whereas I by no means labored on a labor and supply unit, however we each had actually sturdy emotions about nursing and the nurse’s function and the nurse’s dilemma within the hospital.
Melissa Anne DuBois:
I need to thanks for writing your e book as a result of I devoured each phrase and I don’t know in the event you keep in mind again once I despatched you that e mail, I had stayed up ‘til three o’clock within the morning [laughs].
Rebecca Dekker:
That’s proper, you informed me you wrote me the e-mail in the course of the night time. Yeah, I keep in mind that now.
Melissa Anne DuBois:
I did. You understand how it’s as a mom, you by no means know once you’re going to get an opportunity to sit down down and truly write. So at 3:00 AM with a nursing babe asleep on me I typed you this e mail on my cellphone, as a result of I’ve learn a whole lot of childbirth schooling and maternity care books. So once you got here out with yours I put it on my Amazon cart however I had wrongly assumed that it was simply one other being pregnant preparation e book, and actually as you’ve described many occasions in your podcast and in your weblog, it’s your story largely, and it was simply completely fascinating and it spoke to me on so many ranges. So I’m simply so thrilled that you just’ve requested me to be in your podcast and I admire it.
Rebecca Dekker:
Yeah, it’s nice to have the ability to proceed this dialog. So what was it that introduced you to nursing as a profession?
Melissa Anne DuBois:
So like many younger adults who discover their means into healthcare in some unspecified time in the future, I initially began off as a biology pre-med pupil in faculty, however in a short time realized that medical mannequin of care, and at this level it wasn’t even maternity care, it was simply type of the analysis and remedy of sickness, was not what was drawing me to healthcare. I type of briefly toyed round with the concept of being a doctor’s assistant and a good friend of mine that was in a few of my lessons stated, “What about being a nurse?” And at first I type of blew off the concept. I didn’t know any nurses, lots of people discover their means into nursing as a result of they’ve relations which are nurses or that they had any individual that was sick and the nurses actually made an affect on them caring for his or her cherished one, however I by no means had any experiences like that.
So I type of simply poo-pooed the concept, however she stated, “Why don’t you’re taking nursing 101? It fulfills a normal schooling requirement and simply see in the event you prefer it.” And from the very first day I took that class, I nonetheless keep in mind the professor’s title, her title was Genevieve Chandler. She actually simply defined how completely different nursing is than some other area of healthcare, and I used to be hooked.
What drew me to nursing was the big emphasis on not simply caring for sufferers and households, however educating sufferers and households and actually educating individuals the best way to handle their very own well being and advocate for others that may’t advocate for themselves. So, that’s how I began in nursing.
Rebecca Dekker:
Yeah. Lots of people don’t notice {that a} huge focus in nursing college and within the nurse’s function is meant to be on well being and wellness, selling well being via primary well being schooling of individuals, educating them the best way to handle their our bodies and their well being. It may be life altering too. I do know I’ve watched … That’s what impressed me to enter nursing, is watching my mother, who was a nurse, do some primary well being educating that saved a life.
So are you able to inform us what was your skilled expertise like once you began working in labor and supply? Did you begin there proper after you graduated from college?
Melissa Anne DuBois:
No. I truly took a job as a float pool nurse as a result of the hospital that I had utilized to was not accepting new graduates into labor and supply, which is pretty frequent. Whereas I don’t assume you want normal medical surgical expertise to be an excellent labor and supply nurse, I do assume that it did enrich my follow, as a result of whereas most people who find themselves pregnant are wholesome low danger individuals, there’s tons of people that come into being pregnant with power diseases, and studying about the entire physique techniques was undoubtedly one thing that helped me, specifically since my first job in labor and supply was excessive danger obstetrics. So the hospital that I took my first float pool job at, which principally meant that I labored on each single flooring of the hospital, besides labor and supply, actually proving to myself that labor and supply was precisely what I wished to do. However I took a job at that hospital as a result of that they had the biggest labor and supply unit in Central New York, which is the place I used to be.
I wished a job there, I wished to see every little thing. I cherished being a OB-GYN nurse, I knew I wished to dedicate my profession to this area from the very second I first witnessed the ability, energy, magnificence and intelligence of being pregnant labor delivery, bonding, breastfeeding. I at all times say in childbirth class, our our bodies are very sensible. So it’s nonetheless a miracle to me each day that I witness being pregnant and delivery, as a result of regardless that I perceive the science behind it, it nonetheless looks like magic. So I wished to study every little thing about it, and I took a job at this, it was a tertiary care middle with a hooked up medical college that had a residency program and we took care of the sickest nit individuals and infants in 13 counties in Central New York. We did about 4,500 deliveries a yr, so I noticed lots there. I noticed lots there that I’ll most likely by no means see once more in my remainder of my profession, nevertheless it’s essential for me to additionally say that none of my ardour for delivery and reproductive justice, evidence-based follow or household centered maternity care was fostered throughout my labor and supply coaching.
It actually wasn’t in any respect a part of nursing college obstetric rotation, it wasn’t a part of my orientation as a labor and supply nurse. It was one thing that I needed to type of come about by myself.
Rebecca Dekker:
So that you began off in a excessive danger obstetrics unit and you actually felt like with a purpose to educate your self on evidence-based practices, on reproductive justice and different points you had to try this outdoors of labor.
Melissa Anne DuBois:
Yeah. I imply, like nearly all of my contemporaries and even our twentieth century predecessors, proper? I used to be initially indoctrinated into the for-profit place monopolized medical industrial advanced that’s the US maternity care system. It wasn’t till I watched the 2008 documentary,” The Enterprise Of Being Born,” a yr into my labor and supply profession that my eyes had been actually opened. I had by no means heard of residence delivery. I did work with midwives, I labored with some licensed nurse midwives, however I didn’t know of some other kind of direct-entry midwife, and I do know that that documentary has since garnered some criticism from activists for neglecting to convey consciousness to the function of institutional racism and the way that performed within the literal formation of the sphere of obstetrics and the way the medicalization of childbirth has disproportionately affected Black, Indigenous and different individuals of coloration and marginalized communities. However regardless, viewing it was a pivotal second for me that endlessly modified the course of my whole profession, as a result of up till that time I used to be basically the star pupil, proper? For the medical mannequin of maternity care.
As a brand new nurse it’s onerous to not get caught up in attempting to show your self by following in line and going with the tide. I don’t know in the event you keep in mind in nursing college feeling equally, however studying the vocabulary and the lingo of medication was thrilling. It made me really feel like a part of an unique membership. When you may speak store with the massive youngsters like aged gravida six, para one, recurring aborter, historical past of secondary infertility. Admitted as we speak for induction for labor for gestational diabetes noncompliant. Synthetic rupture and Pitocin, like that type of stuff, it makes you feel-
Rebecca Dekker:
I really like how that simply comes out of your mouth.
Melissa Anne DuBois:
Yeah, proper? Oh, it does, proper? Vacuum-assisted vaginal supply for poor maternal pushing efforts, failure to progress, proper? It’s all alluring.
Rebecca Dekker:
So that you had been an insider then.
Melissa Anne DuBois:
Sure, undoubtedly.
Rebecca Dekker:
And also you had been very a lot, such as you stated, a pupil. You had been absorbing every little thing, this mannequin, this institutional mannequin was educating you in regards to the failure of ladies’s our bodies, about all of this stuff. So you could have, once you watched that documentary then, will need to have skilled some ethical misery from realizing-
Melissa Anne DuBois:
Oh, completely.
Rebecca Dekker:
… that you just had been taking part in a job on this system.
Melissa Anne DuBois:
Yeah.
Rebecca Dekker:
What was that like?
Melissa Anne DuBois:
I simply was underneath the impression that we had been saving moms and infants, proper? So it was an everyday incidence that we had been speeding down the corridor for a stat emergency cesarean, coronary heart pounding for fetal misery, NICU crew known as and it actually felt all crucial, proper? The physicians that had been educating the residents would speak. I imply, this isn’t an editorialization, that is actually the physicians would say issues like labor and delivery are inherently harmful, proper? They’d communicate like that.
Rebecca Dekker:
They’d say that to the residents in coaching?
Melissa Anne DuBois:
Sure, completely. And so we…So, it’s not that medical vocabulary and medical intervention doesn’t have its place. I’m 100%, 1000% grateful for residing, working, birthing in trendy America 2020 with entry to all of the life saving applied sciences that we now have, however because the analysis may be very clear that once we make the most of medical interventions as a matter of routine, we do extra hurt than good. That’s why the US has among the worse maternal and neonatal morbidity and mortality statistics out of some other industrialized nation, proper?
So my introduction to obstetrics was working on this giant tertiary care tutorial medical middle that principally served two populations. One inhabitants was center class and rich White households that had been affiliated with the college subsequent door in a roundabout way, and most of them lived within the suburbs. The opposite inhabitants was basically disenfranchised, predominantly Black, Medicaid ensured inside metropolis youth. A whole lot of 16 to 24 yr previous households, proper?
Rebecca Dekker:
Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Melissa Anne DuBois:
And at this hospital, it’s attention-grabbing as a result of the nurses had been actively prevented from exercising principally any autonomy over the care of their sufferers, as a result of doing so was thought of, and it is a direct quote, “Taking studying alternatives away from the residents.” I imply, we had been strictly prohibited from performing vaginal exams, even when a affected person was beginning to spontaneously bear down. We needed to name the residents for actually every little thing. So, that led to an enormous quantity of pointless medical interventions. In truth…
Rebecca Dekker:
As a result of every little thing was a coaching alternative for the residents.
Melissa Anne DuBois:
Completely, yeah. In truth, there was a worksheet that was once we closed out the chart and introduced the affected person to postpartum there was a billing sheet that we needed to fill out, the nurses did, that we needed to test the entire medical intervention that that affected person had obtained and ship it to the billing division. So this was every little thing from synthetic rupture of membranes, inner monitoring, Pitocin infusion. I’ve by no means seen so many pudendal blocks in the whole 14 years of my profession as I noticed at that hospital, as a result of that was once more, one other cost. We had these sufferers that had gotten all the best way to completely dilated, who had been spontaneously bearing down and didn’t need an epidural, weren’t wanting anesthesia who had been held down by residents and given pudendal block.
Rebecca Dekker:
Are you able to describe what that’s for individuals who aren’t aware of that?
Melissa Anne DuBois:
So a pudendal block is, truthfully I don’t even know what the statistics are, if that is even performed anymore, nevertheless it’s basically an extremely lengthy needle that’s most likely so long as your forearm that’s principally inserted into the vagina and also you inject a numbing agent, like lidocaine, into the infiltrate across the pudendal nerves. So earlier than we had epidurals, for instance, this was one thing that was performed to attempt to numb the perineal flooring, the perineum for delivery. This was performed whereas the infants had been attempting to crown.
So generally the physician would push the infant’s head again in and insert the pudendal needle to numb the affected person who’s actively pushing to have the infant, proper? This was not one thing that even offered her any aid. There are dangers to pudendals, together with nerve damage and tissue injury. They’ve fallen out of favor for a variety of causes, epidurals being far more efficient for one, but in addition as a result of they’re not very efficient for offering ache aid. They’re simply merely not that good. Yeah, in order that was simply one thing else in order that they might test off, proper? That was one thing else that the residents might put of their e book so far as one thing that that they had carried out.
So this could be onerous for individuals to listen to me speak about, however that is one thing that didn’t occur that way back and are issues like that that also proceed to occur and nonetheless proceed to occur each day round this nation, proper?
Rebecca Dekker:
So that you stated a big a part of the inhabitants giving delivery there have been Black. Did the labor and supply nurse workers replicate that inhabitants or had been your colleagues principally White?
Melissa Anne DuBois:
Yeah, completely not. So our labor and supply workers was completely White. I feel within the three and a half years that I used to be there perhaps we had one Black nurse that was a journey nurse, nevertheless it was all predominantly White. All of them lived within the suburbs. I used to be the one one that really lived within the metropolis. The one Black staff on our flooring had been both scrub techs or housekeepers. We had been by no means offered any kind of anti-racism or implicit bias coaching, and actually the work atmosphere was seething with each covert and overt racism and microaggressions, proper? So phrases like “welfare queen,” and “my tax greenback is paying for that child,” had been issues that had been in heavy rotation on the nurses station. As I’ve already described, there was a whole lot of obstetrical violence perpetrated to all sufferers, even the White center class and rich affected person. They weren’t protected both, however actually it disproportionately affected the Black sufferers, particularly since they had been very younger. They had been principally youthful girls.
My cultural competency coaching is fairly laughable. The one factor I keep in mind studying in nursing college about cultural competency was principally closely primarily based in stereotype. One factor that stands proud to me, and naturally that is like 20 years in the past now, was that “American Indians are sometimes distrusting of White males,” proper? Like, actually? Overly stereotypical, by no means useful, type of “Latina sufferers usually tend to dramatically categorical ache,” proper? I keep in mind that being one other one. So fairly unhelpful, pretty-
Rebecca Dekker:
Racist.
Melissa Anne DuBois:
… dated. Racist, yeah. I imply, it was completely, completely unhelpful. So far as the physicians, there have been about 35 attending OBs and all of them had been in non-public, nearly all of them had been in non-public follow, which meant there was completely no accountability or oversight for the intervention charges. Due to that, they carried out a whole lot of elective procedures. I keep in mind one doctor as soon as would, he was fairly basic for the nurses needed to take the induction bookings. So when a doctor would name we’d need to take down the affected person’s title, and he would typically e book individuals for inductions for submit dates that had been solely 39 weeks pregnant. That like actually … I imply, I don’t assume you will get any extra blatantly deceptive than that, proper? One thing submit dates for a affected person who’s actually earlier than her due date.
There have been additionally two clinics that serviced principally the low revenue inside metropolis inhabitants. One clinic was known as the Perinatal Heart and it was primarily run by the residents and the medical college. The opposite clinic was known as the Group Heart, and it was run by two Black physicians and one Black midwife. The workers at that middle was additionally predominantly Black. The distinction within the care that was offered at every middle was hanging. I imply, I’ll allow you to guess which middle had higher intervention charges and extra culturally competent care, proper? And actually, that midwife was one in all my favourite suppliers to work with. I discovered a ton in regards to the midwifery mannequin of care from her and he or she was an enormous affect on my persevering with schooling so far as offering household centered evidence-based care.
Rebecca Dekker:
I can solely think about too what it will need to have been like for them working in that basically White supremacist tradition atmosphere, each day attempting to guard their sufferers will need to have been very troublesome for them as effectively.
Melissa Anne DuBois:
Yeah. It was hanging. I imply, it wasn’t, like I stated, this stuff had been blatant, proper? So there have been occasions when the group middle medical doctors had been on trip or wanted follow protection. So they might have the perinatal middle suppliers cowl, proper? And I keep in mind as a result of the perinatal middle wasn’t going to get any extra money for these deliveries, these sufferers had been typically left to labor with out … I imply, they had been ignored. They had been basically ignored. They’d admit any individual for labor after which they might ignore them for hours as an alternative of doing what they routinely would do, which was break everyone’s water on admission after which after two hours you didn’t dilate two centimeters they might pit you. Then in the event you received to completely dilated they might shut off your epidural and make you begin pushing instantly, which in fact led to a rise in ache and reduce in capacity to manage for these individuals. For those who couldn’t push your child out in two hours, you got a cesarean part. I imply, this was a child manufacturing unit, proper?
However the group middle sufferers, as a result of they weren’t going to get any more money, they had been simply merely protecting them, they had been ignored, nevertheless it truly labored out of their favor as a result of that they had greater charges of spontaneous vaginal supply as a result of they weren’t actively managed, they had been expectantly managed. So it truly labored of their favor, however that’s simply one other illustration of the stark distinction between the degrees of care.
Rebecca Dekker:
Mm-hmm (affirmative). So what was your subsequent profession transfer after that?
Melissa Anne DuBois:
So I used to be in Upstate New York as a result of my husband was in graduate college. So he graduated, we moved again to Massachusetts. So I deluded myself for a short time into pondering that the one motive why the issue with maternity care was simply huge tertiary care educating hospitals and residents, proper? So if I went to a group hospital it might be higher. I took a job at a group hospital within the North Shore and it was, simply to be transient, even worse, as a result of it was a small hospital the place there was a really small quantity of suppliers that had been operating it. The hospital was so determined for the deliveries that these suppliers had been bringing to their hospital that the suppliers known as the entire pictures, and the intervention charges, in the event you can think about, had been even greater. We had a 40% cesarean part fee, and these had been predominately wholesome, younger, center class skilled households, they usually had 40% cesarean part fee.
So I solely lasted there for 3 months. I wanted to get out of there. Then I took a job on the recommendation of a good friend at a hospital nearer to Boston that had an enormous midwifery inhabitants. Though it took me over an hour to drive there and drive residence each day, my three years working for that hospital was extremely transformative. About 40% of the sufferers that ship at that hospital are delivered by midwives, midwives catch 40% of the infants. As a result of they’re one of many largest autonomous midwifery practices in New England, they managed their very own sufferers. They consulted with physicians when medically acceptable and there have been pointers for that, however there was an enormous belief between the medical doctors and the midwives, and there was a whole lot of congeniality between the medical doctors and the midwives. So the midwives had been allowed to follow a midwifery mannequin of care, and since there was such a big midwifery follow, that hospital actually attracted physicians that loved working with midwives, as a result of in the event you didn’t like working with midwives and protecting midwives then you definately didn’t final there for very lengthy. So I met some phenomenal suppliers there that at the same time as obstetricians actually practiced a physiological mannequin of care.
There have been additionally a number of different issues about that hospital that actually lent itself to evidence-based care. For one, all of the suppliers that had been a part of the decision group principally simply divided up the cash created from the deliveries each month equally, irrespective of what number of deliveries had been performed. The pondering being it’s type of luck of the draw whether or not you’re going to have a busy night time or a sluggish night time, and everyone wished to type of not need to take an enormous pay lower as a result of they lucked out in not getting a whole lot of deliveries sure night time. So there wasn’t a incentive to get individuals delivered earlier than your shift was over. In addition they needed to be in-house always. So many hospitals the suppliers can go residence if there’s no one in labor, however our suppliers needed to keep in-house. So different issues like that that actually simply lent itself to expectant administration, simply permitting a physiological strategy of childbirth. So I learnt an unimaginable quantity from the suppliers that I labored with there, and in addition the doulas. That was the primary time that I actually met any doulas and started working with doulas. The hospital was very doula pleasant.
So I learnt a ton about labor assist as a labor and supply nurse from the doulas and the midwives that I started working with. I didn’t study labor assist as a part of my nursing orientation. I learnt it from expertise with midwives, and doulas, and conferences, and workshops, and studying, and it was all by myself time and my very own dime. I used to be the nurse that raised my hand and stated, “Me, me, me, me, me.” Each time any individual got here in with a delivery plan for an unmedicated delivery as a result of I wished to get expertise in supporting individuals via an unmedicated delivery expertise and get a chance to make use of these abilities.
For any individual who’s, for instance, searching for an unmedicated delivery, or simply needs to know that the individuals caring for them have expertise with hands-on labor assist, I at all times suggest trying on the epidural fee of the hospital. It’s not essentially as a result of the epidural fee, if it’s excessive signifies that you’re going to be coerced into an epidural, although that completely does occur, however take into consideration if you’re a labor and supply nurse and you’re employed at a hospital with a 90% epidural fee and the one unmedicated births that you just’re seeing are principally precipitously delivering multips which are coming off the elevator with a head crowning between their legs, proper? Then you don’t get actually any alternative, even if you wish to. You don’t get any alternative to study or follow the abilities of labor assist. In order that’s the place I actually received to increase my experience in that space.
Rebecca Dekker:
Mm-hmm (affirmative). Within the meantime did you could have any youngsters of your individual but by this level?
Melissa Anne DuBois:
Yeah. So I ended up leaving that group hospital as a result of I received pregnant in 2012 with my first son. I noticed, fortunately I had some foresight to assume that doing a day night time rotating 12 hour shift with a two plus hour commute was most likely not going to work out as a brand new mother or father. So I truly took a job with a medical doctors group, a bunch of obstetricians that delivered on the hospital I used to be working at, they requested me to be their workplace nurse. So I left once I was like 32 weeks pregnant and I began working for this OB-GYN follow, which was great. They had been an unimaginable group of OB-GYNs. I discovered a lot from them. They handled nurses like part of the interdisciplinary care crew with our personal experience. It was superior.
So I had my first on the hospital that I used to be working at, the group hospital, with the midwives that I used to be working with. Though that was a really, very lengthy and arduous 36 hours of again labor, 27 hours of which I did unmedicated earlier than I requested for an epidural as a result of my cervix was beginning to swell as a result of I used to be having a untimely urge to push. It was a really empowering and constructive delivery expertise as a result of I felt very cared for. I cherished the midwifery care and I felt that the medical interventions that I ended up needing, together with the epidural and a small quantity of Pitocin in direction of the top of my labor for my very exhausted uterus. I felt like they had been appropriately timed and I felt a part of the choice making. So it was an exquisite expertise.
So, once I was working on the OB-GYN workplace a pair years later, about three years later, I received pregnant with my second. At the moment I had a 3 yr previous, and I used to be residing in Central Mass, so driving to the Boston Space for prenatal care with my three yr previous who received automotive sick was simply not one thing that I used to be fascinated with. So there’s two hospitals within the Worcester space. One was a smaller group hospital that was a Catholic establishment, and for a variety of causes relating to reproductive justice I didn’t need to ship at that hospital. So the opposite one was a big tertiary medical care medical middle, and regardless that I had labored for one and I understand how that machine works, I had type of deluded myself into pondering that the benefit of the prenatal appointments and the closeness of the place I’d give delivery in relation to my home was going to be price having to struggle a bit of bit.
I believed I simply need to struggle a bit of bit for the delivery I wished. I felt like if I used to be skilled, a labor and supply nurse with 10 years underneath my belt that I, of all individuals, would be capable of advocate for evidence-based care, would advocate for the delivery that I wished and I discovered a supplier that had a very good fame with the nurses that labored at that hospital so far as OBs. All of them felt that he was very fingers off and low intervention and compassionate, and I discovered that to be true, however in fact he went on trip the week that I had the infant. So my expertise was truly fairly horrible. In a nutshell, I used to be not believed to be in labor, regardless that I used to be a multip and a labor and supply nurse. I used to be given unnecessarily aggressive vaginal exams. I used to be coerced into an epidural at 9 centimeters that I didn’t need and didn’t want. They really ended up giving me a spinal as a result of I used to be up to now alongside. Then as a result of I used to be fully numb from the waist down I used to be subjected to fairly aggressive perineal stretching throughout the supply that I’m truly grateful I couldn’t really feel as a result of it truly made my husband lightheaded and he needed to sit down at one level.
I nearly obtained Pitocin, however I delivered too rapidly. Because the physician walked out of the room after she ordered the epidural she stated, “Begin pit once you’re performed.” However there was no dialog with me about beginning Pitocin. I nearly had a vacuum supply, however the child got here out earlier than they might put the vacuum on the infant’s head. Once more, it was lower than 10 minutes of pushing and the infant wasn’t even in misery. So it was a reasonably traumatic expertise, and all of the whereas I used to be terrified that if I spoke up they might do one thing to harm me or my child. That was the way of thinking that I used to be in, that if I requested them to cease stretching my vagina the best way that they had been doing it that they might perhaps lower an episiotomy, or et cetera, et cetera.
In order that was a really eye-opening skilled expertise for me as a result of if that occurred to me, any individual who for all intents and functions needs to be probably the most in a position to advocate for themselves, what is occurring to the birthing households throughout this nation who should not in the identical place as me?
Rebecca Dekker:
How did you get better from that? It seems like a really traumatic delivery.
Melissa Anne DuBois:
Properly, I talked to a therapist. I feel that’s essential for anyone who has had a traumatic delivery expertise. I’ve truly been doing a whole lot of trainings, skilled trainings with Krysta Dancy on the Beginning and Trauma Help Heart, and studying all in regards to the mind and the way it processes trauma and the way that first six weeks of neuroplasticity after you could have a traumatic occasion can studying the best way to course of it in a wholesome means could be the distinction between principally post-traumatic stress signs and wholesome psychological emotional restoration.
So I did speak to a therapist and I channeled that into extra advocacy. At that time, a number of months after I had my second, I ended up attempting to juggle two youngsters and nonetheless commute to the Boston Space, regardless that it was set schedule it was actually troublesome. So I took a job at a group hospital nearer to my home and I took it with reservations as a result of I knew that this group hospital had a excessive cesarean part fee and didn’t have the most effective fame in the neighborhood for offering evidence-based care.
Nevertheless, I felt like I’m in a unique place now as somebody who at that time had, once more, 11 years expertise. I used to be in a unique place than I used to be once I was 24 years previous at that hospital in Upstate New York the place I didn’t have the identical voice. So I took a job there, however as anticipated, the three years that I spent there was fairly traumatic professionally as effectively. The quantities of obstetrical violence and coercion that had been occurring regularly had been horrifying, and the pandemic solely made it worse.
So once I received pregnant with my third, that’s once I determined that if this was my final child I used to be going to do it my means, and that’s once I employed the house delivery midwifery crew that I ended up taking a job with a yr later that I work for now, Embrace Midwifery.
Rebecca Dekker:
So that you had a house delivery along with your third child then?
Melissa Anne DuBois:
Yeah. A house water delivery. I name her my mermaid child.
Rebecca Dekker:
And the way did that distinction along with your prior expertise?
Melissa Anne DuBois:
Evening and day. As you realize, I do know you had some residence births too, Rebecca. There’s nothing that compares to the house delivery midwifery care. It’s concierge care, proper? You actually get to know your midwife crew. They actually get to know you. They care not solely in regards to the bodily well being of your being pregnant, however your psychological and emotional well being as effectively, entire physique wellness. I had by no means had an OB-GYN suggest issues like chiropractic care, or natural dietary supplements, or probiotics to me earlier than, and all of this stuff had been issues that dramatically improved my consolation throughout my being pregnant, and people are issues that the midwives had really useful to me.
So my labor expertise was, I imply, it was onerous work, don’t get me improper. It was the toughest factor I’ve ever performed in my life, nevertheless it was additionally type of like a dream. I imply, I labored in my brother’s out of doors swimming pool, my brother lives throughout the road from me. So I labored in his swimming pool from 4 to eight centimeters. It was July and it was a gorgeous summer time day. Then I went straight from the swimming pool to the bathe, after which I went straight from the bathe to a heat delivery tub in my eating room and pushed her out in lower than 10 minutes of pushing and it was a 12 hour labor. It was unreal.
I imply, like I stated, unmedicated delivery is difficult work. They name it labor as a result of it’s onerous work. If it was straightforward they might name it picnic, proper? So it wasn’t a picnic, however I felt cared for, I felt protected, I felt cherished and supported. The midwives didn’t lay a hand on my physique with out my permission ever. I felt a part of the choice making. I by no means as soon as thought to myself, “I actually need to get within the automotive proper now and drive to the hospital.” Perhaps when her head was popping out I believed, “Can we now have a day trip? Perhaps I modified my thoughts.” However then she was out, so after that I stayed in my own residence. I used to be cared for in my own residence. The midwives got here and visited me at day one, day three, day seven at two weeks. It was unbelievable, and everyone deserves that care.
Rebecca Dekker:
Mm-hmm (affirmative). When was this child born? What yr?
Melissa Anne DuBois:
So my daughter Marceline was born July of 2019. So she only in the near past turned a yr previous.
Rebecca Dekker:
Okay. And you continue to continued working at that hospital for a bit of bit longer after which the pandemic hit. The USA began locking down in March of 2020. What issues did you see over the following a number of months in your job as a labor and supply nurse throughout the peak of the worry of the pandemic?
Melissa Anne DuBois:
Certain. So, to type of set the stage with a pair examples, I imply, the hospital that I used to be working at earlier than I left in affected person care, there have been medical doctors that when sufferers would for instance simply ask in childbirth class, we speak about utilizing your mind, what are the advantages, what are the dangers, what are alternate options, proper? When sufferers would ask issues like, “Properly, what are the advantages and dangers of a cesarean or an induction?” The suppliers would actually say issues like if “you don’t, your child will die,” proper? So that is the state of knowledgeable determination making, or lack of I ought to say, that was the place that I used to be working at.
So, that was the inspiration. Add the pandemic on high of that and naturally everyone was very fearful. We didn’t know lots about COVID-19, we didn’t have a capability to check for it. Nurses had been afraid of sufferers, sufferers had been afraid of nurses. Rapidly that huge a part of why many nurses go into nursing, that human contact and connection, that spending time with individuals, we had been being discouraged from spending any time in sufferers’ rooms, which was a tradition that I used to be attempting very onerous to alter. One saving grace of this hospital, so one of many important explanation why I stayed there for 3 years was due to the nurse supervisor and the nurse educator. They had been phenomenal. They had been very a lot into evidence-based follow and household centered care, and knowledgeable determination making. The nurse educator was one of the crucial unimaginable educators that I had ever labored with. She labored her tail off to do biannual, we name them “educations days,” the place she would convey info from the AWHONN conferences, and journal articles, and create drills, and displays, and workshops for greatest follow.
So I used to be working lots together with her to type of change the tradition of this hospital, from being the nurse that labors individuals on the desk, proper? And watches the screens, to offering these nurses with hands-on instruments for serving to troubleshoot dysfunctional labors and supply labor assist. The nurses had been thrilled. I imply, no one was a nasty particular person, they didn’t know any higher. Many of the nurses that I labored with had solely ever labored at that hospital, and once more, when you could have a excessive, excuse me, epidural fee, you don’t essentially get the chance to do hands-on assist.
So I used to be working actually onerous to alter that tradition there, after which the pandemic hit and impulsively it was don’t contact your sufferers, don’t spend time of their rooms. Give them an early epidural so in case that we needed to do a emergency cesarean we received’t need to intubate as a result of that might aerosolized an asymptomatic affected person if they’ve Covid. It was similar to a twilight zone. I imply, they had been doing … After which in fact there are some practices that since you don’t have all of the details about Covid you must be cautions, and I perceive that, however there are different issues that simply merely didn’t make any sense. So for instance, we had a rise in elective inductions cited for Covid, proper?
These are those that didn’t have COVID-19, that they had been quarantining at residence as a result of they personally didn’t need to be uncovered or expose their child, they usually had been being satisfied by their suppliers to return in at 39 weeks for an elective induction due to “Covid,” and that doesn’t make any sense. I imply, then they had been turning round they usually had been pushing these individuals to be discharged inside 24 hours of a vaginal supply, 48 hours of a cesarean delivery as a result of they didn’t need them to be unnecessarily uncovered to the hospital atmosphere for longer than they needed to. But they had been bringing them in for a 3 day induction that was pointless. So I imply, that doesn’t make any sense.
They took away nitrous as a result of there was a worry of it probably aerosolizing an asymptomatic Covid constructive affected person, but once we began universally testing everyone for Covid on admission to the hospital they weren’t permitting individuals who examined damaging to make use of nitrous, regardless that there are different hospitals in our area which have greater danger populations than ours that had been.
Similar factor with taking away doulas. Initially firstly of the pandemic hospitals throughout the nation stated no guests, companion solely, after which I imagine it was June, the Division of Public Well being in Massachusetts put out a memo saying that we all know extra about COVID-19 now, we’ve received a greater deal with on issues, and so a hospital affected person needs to be allowed one customer on the bedside, and for maternity sufferers the partner or assist particular person shouldn’t be thought of a customer. So it’s a human proper to have any individual with you and never need to labor alone. So the partner or companion shouldn’t be a customer, and so they need to be allowed to have any individual like a doula, and but there are nonetheless hospitals all throughout our state that aren’t permitting a second assist particular person.
Then in fact there was the obligatory separation of moms and infants that was explicitly towards the World Well being Group. That’s ultimately what was the straw that broke the camel’s again. I made a determined plead to the chief of pediatrics in regards to the separation of moms and infants, and these had been the separation of not simply Covid constructive moms, however anyone with a fever or signs in labor, together with issues like chorioamnionitis or an epidural fever, which we all know may cause fevers as effectively. So a girl with no danger elements for COVID-19 would, and a 1,000 danger elements for let’s say chorioamnionitis would spike a fever in labor after which the written protocol was to strongly suggest separation, as per the unique press launch from the American Academy of Pediatrics, and provided that the mother or father protested, enable the infant to remain, however the child can be positioned in an isolette on the far finish of the room and the mother or father can be discouraged from taking the infant out of the isolette aside from feedings. In order that was it, that was the final straw.
I had a affected person who did have chorioamnionitis, received a fever in labor and I regarded proper on the chief and I stated, “I’m not going to tear a child out of a mom’s arms.” And I gave my discover the following day, I gave my two week discover the following day and I by no means regarded again.
Rebecca Dekker:
Wow. That may be very an emotional journey I’m certain, to stroll away from a hospital profession in labor and supply. However I perceive that you just now have a brand new profession. Are you able to inform us a bit of bit about what function you stepped into? Since you didn’t simply say goodbye to that function, you actually had been saying howdy to one thing new. What’s your new function like? What are you doing?
Melissa Anne DuBois:
Yeah. So proper now I work for truly the house delivery follow that cared for me throughout the delivery of my daughter, Marceline, final yr. They’re known as Embrace Midwifery. They’re run by two implausible midwives, Rachel Blessington and Marianne Pelletier. We service girls in Worcester County, which is Central Massachusetts primarily, or the cities surrounding. That they had type of toyed the concept round with me. Hey, in the event you’re ever fascinated with leaving the hospital, you realize we might at all times use a nurse that does postpartum visits. Once I was working on the hospital and I had in fact a brand new child, I used to be attempting to assume like how am I going to make that work nonetheless having to do shifts on the hospital and whatnot. However once I gave my discover and I dangle up the cellphone, and I known as the midwives, and I stated, “I’m all yours.”
So now I primarily do their postpartum residence visits. So I see sufferers who’ve delivered with our follow at residence. I’m going go to them on day three and on the two to 3 week mark. So I present the house care visits and in addition throughout, my husband is a instructor, so throughout college breaks I additionally am on name for them to be a delivery assistant as a result of the follow is overseen my Marianne Pelletier, who’s an authorized nurse midwife, and in Massachusetts I can work underneath her as a registered nurse, and that’s how I can work as a delivery assistant.
Rebecca Dekker:
Yeah, so that you’re in a position to go to residence births then and be the nurse principally alongside the midwife?
Melissa Anne DuBois:
Sure, precisely. I find it irresistible. I get to provide excellent care. I get to kind relationships. Dwelling delivery is so uninterrupted. I imply, once I’m educating childbirth class and speaking to new mother and father about advocating for bonding time, for instance, I’m attempting so desperately to assist them advocate for one hour of uninterrupted pores and skin to pores and skin, proper? We name it the magic hour. That’s what I’m attempting to drill residence and advocate for that. In residence delivery every little thing is uninterrupted. Your labor is uninterrupted, your postpartum restoration is uninterrupted, your bonding, breastfeeding. Mum or dad and youngster are saved collectively, and we work round you. So my explicit follow is exclusive, I feel, within the residence delivery group too as a result of all three of the midwives that work with, two of them are licensed nurse midwives, one in all them is an authorized skilled midwife who’s in class to turn into an authorized nurse midwife, however they had been all labor and supply nurses earlier than changing into midwives.
So whereas I don’t assume that could be a requirement, and I do know personally so many unimaginable direct entry midwives in Massachusetts that present distinctive care, I feel that it makes us completely different as a result of we’ve actually seen what it’s like on the opposite facet. The expertise of the fact is that even if you’re the busiest residence delivery midwife, there’s solely so many births you may see in a month or a yr, however we’ve all seen a whole lot and 1000’s of individuals give delivery and all various kinds of eventualities. So I feel that provides us a singular perspective so far as the best way to take care of you within the residence delivery atmosphere, but in addition when is it acceptable to contemplate medical intervention or transferring of care, proper?
Rebecca Dekker:
Mm-hmm (affirmative), yeah. So it sounds such as you’ve type of stepped into a brand new function that’s extra aligned along with your beliefs and your perspective proper now and fewer ethical misery then once you go to work.
Melissa Anne DuBois:
Oh yeah. The panic assaults have stopped [laughs]. I now am excited to go to work. That’s for certain.
Rebecca Dekker:
What recommendation do you could have for folks who’re birthing within the hospital setting, particularly throughout the pandemic? I imply, you painted a reasonably grim image of some hospitals. One factor I additionally observed is simply the variation from hospital to hospital, all inside the identical state. You’ve some hospitals actually doing horrific issues, others doing a reasonably good job, after which even in among the hospitals the place issues aren’t good you could have some suppliers doing an amazing job, others abusing girls. So there’s a whole lot of variability is type of the takeaway level. There’s no hospitals are all dangerous or hospitals are all good. It’s a combination, and it type of depends upon the place you’re. What recommendation do you could have for anyone who’s listening proper now who would possibly really feel anxious from listening to your tales? What might you inform them? Particularly for individuals who perhaps can’t select a house delivery for no matter motive, it’s not an choice.
Melissa Anne DuBois:
Completely. Yeah, and I’ll say it once more simply to be clear, I’m not anti medical intervention or obstetricians. A few of my closest associates and most influential mentors are obstetricians. Dwelling delivery can’t be the reply to our damaged maternity care system as a result of not everyone is wanting an unmedicated delivery, proper? I feel wanting an epidural is a wonderfully affordable delivery plan, proper? I actually benefited from the epidural that I had with my first. I’m not anti epidural, and in addition some individuals simply want medical intervention. They’ve the next danger being pregnant, so residence delivery can’t be the one reply. However the actuality is it’s actually hit and miss on the market, such as you stated.
So I’ve a number of issues, few pits of recommendation. One is take a childbirth schooling class. Information is energy, fingers down. Quantity two is rent a doula. I had a doula for all three of my births, regardless that I used to be a labor supply nurse and had a really supportive companion, and my mom was there with me, and he or she has 4 vaginal deliveries of her personal. In truth, at my first delivery I had the chance at hand choose the midwives and nurses that had been caring for me, and I nonetheless employed a doula. So rent a doula, discover a technique to rent a doula. There’s at all times a technique to rent a doula.
Then after you do these two issues actually sit down along with your companion and your delivery crew and take into consideration the kind of delivery that you really want, after which decide how essential that’s to you, proper? For those who would think about it actually essential, proper? Then switch your care to a supplier who already gives that as the usual of care, proper? I’ve heard you speak about this earlier than, Rebecca. I really like the best way you describe it, you name it the “golden ticket,” proper?
Rebecca Dekker:
Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Melissa Anne DuBois:
So to do something much less, and I do know it is a provocative technique to phrase this, nevertheless it’s crucial to me to say it this manner. To do something much less is to probably take part in your individual abuse, proper? As a result of there are such a lot of suppliers on the market, and I’m not saying that these are dangerous individuals, however that’s simply the best way that they had been educated. They had been educated to view labor and delivery as inherently harmful. They had been educated to make the choices, they had been educated to actively handle your care aggressively, and if that’s not what you’re searching for, then switch your care. Even when, like your good friend Christen, it’s the day earlier than you could have your child. It’s by no means too late to switch you care. I imply, take it from me. Whilst an clever, very effectively researched, sturdy, outspoken advocate with 10 years expertise as a labor and supply nurse, somebody who actually stood as much as medical doctors each day, I used to be powerless to cease my very own abuse by the hands of an obstetrical crew that wished to dictate my care, proper? They simply wished me to be complicit of their machine. And if you find yourself in labor, it’s onerous to be in your logical a part of your mind. You’re in your mammal monkey a part of your mind, you’re in “labor land.” Concern can negatively have an effect on your labor expertise bodily and emotionally.
So, so many individuals I inform them in childbirth class, they ask me for recommendation and I say that it sounds just like the supplier that you just’re seeing or the hospital that you just’re planning to ship at isn’t supportive of your plan of care they usually really feel to overwhelmed with the potential for altering, and I perceive that. I made a decision to decide on the comfort of the hospital location over the standard of care that I knew I used to be going to obtain, and I paid for that, proper? I paid for that. Beginning is one thing that you just’re going to recollect for the remainder of your life. So that you solely get to provide delivery to this child one time, and so that you should have the delivery expertise that you just need, otherwise you at the very least should really feel just like the playing cards had been stacked in your favor and also you had been listened to and heard and got high quality care.
Rebecca Dekker:
I really like the recommendation you’re giving about transferring care. I used to be curious when you’ve got any final phrases of recommendation about the best way to get the nurse in your crew or discover the fitting labor and supply nurse for you. There’s somebody I observe on Instagram, Dr. Stephanie Mitchell, doctor_midwife, and he or she at all times talks in regards to the care and labor and supply nurse. She says, “I’ve been a labor and supply nurse for 30 years.” And does issues their means and refuses to hearken to you, and I don’t need to set it up as adversarial, however in our childbirth class at Proof Primarily based Beginning® we actually coach mother and father on the best way to construct a crew, a mutual trusting relationship along with your nurse, however how generally you simply need to get a brand new nurse. Do you could have any phrases of recommendation for constructing a connection along with your nurse in order that the nurse is in your crew and is able to go to bat for you and to advocate for you or when it’s time to ask for a brand new nurse?
Melissa Anne DuBois:
Completely. I feel that that a part of your Proof Primarily based Beginning® childbirth schooling lessons is vitally essential. I feel that’s giving any individual instruments to advocate for themselves, giving the delivery companion literal vocabulary for the best way to advocate for the birthing particular person, as is printed in your lessons, is a crucial a part of any high quality childbirth schooling program. So if you’re taking a childbirth class and that isn’t a part of your course, then take one other class, as a result of childbirth class shouldn’t be about simply studying the best way to be a compliant affected person, proper? However I’d suggest, I imply, it’s not going to be a assure, nothing is, however once you get to labor and supply, both earlier than you’re positioned in a room or whilst you’re in triage if it’s a much bigger hospital, mentioning to the individual that’s caring for you or mentioning to the receptionist on the desk, was there any means I might get the nurse that loves pure childbirth? Even in the event you’re planning an epidural. For those who get the nurse that loves pure childbirth, then you definately’re most likely going to get somebody who has performed their fair proportion of analysis on evidence-based follow and offering evidence-based care. In order that’s undoubtedly one thing. I imply, there’s no…
Rebecca Dekker:
And so they most likely have a decrease cesarean fee as a result of they know the best way to actually assist individuals throughout labor.
Melissa Anne DuBois:
Completely.
Rebecca Dekker:
So such as you stated, even in the event you’re planning on an epidural, asking for the nurse who loves unmedicated childbirth, after which go forward and ask in your epidural once you get within the room, however that means you-
Melissa Anne DuBois:
Precisely. Sure, precisely. And who is aware of? Perhaps even in the event you’re planning an epidural she might need a pair solutions for you earlier than or …
Rebecca Dekker:
When you’re ready.
Melissa Anne DuBois:
So, that’s undoubtedly one choice. Then, the opposite factor I’d say is, and I do know that you just speak about this in your lessons as effectively, the best way to hearth your nurse. A whole lot of us are taught to not make waves, to simply observe medical recommendation blindly, and my recommendation can be don’t fear about offending anyone, since you’re by no means going to see these individuals once more. You don’t need to eat Thanksgiving dinner with this nurse for the remainder of your life, proper? And in the event you stick a thorn in her facet by asking to be cared for by one other nurse, then there are going to be no long-term penalties of that, regardless that it could be awkward, regardless that you would possibly really feel a bit of bit embarrassed. The way in which you ship this child can have an affect on your future well being bodily, emotionally, fertility, for the remainder of your life, proper? The way in which you ship this child can have an effect on the best way you ship each different child. So simply don’t fear about offending anyone. You might be essential, your consolation is essential, your psychological well being is essential. Feeling heard and listened to is essential. The analysis exhibits that the primary predictor of delivery trauma shouldn’t be emergency delivery, or epidural delivery, or unmedicated delivery, or cesarean delivery, it’s feeling an absence of management, feeling not listened to and heard. So don’t let politeness get in the best way of the delivery expertise that you just need. There is no such thing as a draw back.
Rebecca Dekker:
All proper. So that you totally, wholeheartedly agree with asking for a brand new nurse in the event you want one, in the event you really feel such as you’re not being supported. The way in which I sometimes educate mother and father how to do that is to ask for the cost nurse. You may exit to the nurses’ station, ask to talk with the cost nurse. Which may not be doable in Covid. You may say, “Can you could have the cost nurse cease by my room?” After which after they come within the room you could possibly say, “I really feel prefer it’s actually not an excellent match with our labor and supply nurse. We’d prefer to request a brand new nurse.” And that’s all it must be, you realize?
Melissa Anne DuBois:
Yeah.
Rebecca Dekker:
It’s fairly easy. Two sentences.
Melissa Anne DuBois:
Completely. Truthfully, in the event you’re not jiving with that nurse, they’re most likely not jiving with you. As a nurse myself, no one needs to handle any individual who doesn’t need them to handle you, proper? So in the event you actually should not doing effectively with this nurse’s care, do her a favor. If you must consider it as doing her a favor, consider it like that, proper? No one needs to handle somebody who doesn’t need them there, so I fully agree. Simply ask for the cost nurse, whether or not you ask your nurse to return in, to ship her in, otherwise you exit to the desk in the event you’re allowed, or a whole lot of hospitals have in the event you press the decision bell, any individual comes over a speaker and talks to you.
Rebecca Dekker:
That’s true.
Melissa Anne DuBois:
You possibly can simply ask the individual that solutions the speaker, “May you please ask the cost nurse to return in? We want to communicate to the nurse in cost.”
Rebecca Dekker:
Yeah. Then in fact we had been speaking about type of a worst case situation, if you must change nurses, though it’s not likely worst case. However in the event you do need to, there are different ways in which we educate the best way to join along with your nurse, and simply attending to know them on a human stage. Simply asking them about themselves. “The place are you from? Do you could have any youngsters of your individual? The place did you go to high school? Are you a Cubs fan?” I don’t … What do they ask in Massachusetts?
Melissa Anne DuBois:
We’d speak in regards to the Purple Sox, we might speak about.
Rebecca Dekker:
Are you a Purple Sox fan?
Melissa Anne DuBois:
Precisely.
Rebecca Dekker:
Right here the place I stay it might be, do you observe UK basketball? So yeah.
Melissa Anne DuBois:
I agree. I’ve heard some advocates be upset at this recommendation, that you just shouldn’t need to endear your self to somebody to get high quality compassionate care, and I completely get in a really perfect world you shouldn’t. It is best to be capable of act nevertheless you have to act and be nevertheless you have to be, and ask for no matter you need, proper? However you and I are within the enterprise of attempting to assist individuals get the most effective care in a damaged system. So in a damaged system, yeah, endearing your self to the nursing workers by asking them a bit of bit about their household and their favourite basketball crew is unquestionably a technique to type of convey down that worry, the informality of assembly any individual new.
Rebecca Dekker:
Yeah. It’s all about constructing connections. I don’t assume there’s something manipulative about desirous to have a reference to the human who’s going to be there on the delivery of your child.
Melissa Anne DuBois:
Agree. It’s a life altering expertise.
Rebecca Dekker:
Yeah.
Melissa Anne DuBois:
I really feel linked to the those that I’ve taken care of endlessly. I really feel like there’s a connection endlessly once you’re with any individual throughout one thing like that, so I agree.
Rebecca Dekker:
Yeah. Properly thanks Melissa Anne a lot for sharing your knowledge and your journey with us. What’s the easiest way for individuals to observe your work?
Melissa Anne DuBois:
Yeah. So you could possibly learn extra about me and the crew that I work with, the house delivery crew in Central Massachusetts at embracemidwifery.care. I even have a podcast with my colleague at Infants in Frequent known as the Infants In Frequent Present. We do podcasts for expectant households and new households on a wide range of subjects. So you will discover us on Spotify or Apple Podcasts, or babiesincommon.com.
Rebecca Dekker:
All proper. Thanks a lot.
Melissa Anne DuBois:
Thanks a lot, Rebecca. It’s been great.
Rebecca Dekker:
This podcast episode was delivered to you by the e book, Infants Are Not Pizzas: They’re Born, Not Delivered. Infants Are Not Pizzas is a memoir that tells the story of how I navigated a damaged healthcare system and uncovered how I might nonetheless obtain evidence-based care. On this e book you’ll study in regards to the historical past of childbirth and midwifery, the proof on a wide range of delivery subjects, and the way we are able to stop preventable trauma in childbirth. Infants Are Not Pizzas is out there on Amazon as a Kindle, paperback, hardcover, and Audible e book. Get your copy as we speak and ensure to e mail me after you learn it to let me know your ideas.
